India Ideas & Opinions 2 not finished
1. Cultural Differences - 2. Dirt & Hassle - 3. Hindi Imperialism - 4. Culture Causes Poverty
..God it sounds as if I am completely anti- India, but I am trying to give the truth and sometimes speak provocatively and ever reserve the right to change my mind later
Do you like India ?
- "Do you like India ?", people often ask
.. How to explain to them that no matter how many Taj Mahal's the dominant feeling is disgust ? : the garbage in the streets, the constant irritating noise, the awful food, everything taking twice as long as other countries etc.
-different people different eyes - most Asians would see the same streets I see and would see nothing wrong, but to me it's different ... So I usually mention the sunshine and low prices... Maybe in time I will mellow.

- Disgust is the strongest emotion : if I see 1 noisy dirty street, 5 Taj Mahals and 50 kind people it's the dirty street that I most remember.

- For sure things are not as bad as they are in West Africa where corruption leaves everything in a mess. It's not that bad, and one has to give credit for initiatives and progress made. But still In West Europe, former communist Europe or even Russia things are dramatically better. Not that they are perfect : like beer louts in the UK etc. As ever I believe that local cultural attitudes rather than lack of money or resources that cause this disorganisation and mess. Even in China the rest of Asia things are better. India is a bit of a mess, because Indian people let it be a mess, whereas Japanese get organised. It's not just that it's difficult for me, Indians themselves face timewasting and hassle. Sure the dust or humidity make it difficult to keep things clean, but the Australians cope. It's a question of developing systems. Things don’t get out of control in other countries.

- This mess is not necessary or acceptable and Indian people are just as capable as everyone else, so we should not grin, but instead give them a kick up the arse. Come on India ! You can do better !

- Am I being unfair ? Tribal area are different and indeed I don't consider them really India. I meet a lot of kind people and the disgust experiences aren't continuous like in the real India and when they do happen they are mostly due to "real Indians", but there are still the hooting horns slow governemnt offices etc.

Everywhere is pretty Ugly
- I just realised that even though the garbage is the dominating thing even if I look past it everywhere is pretty ugly. If you bicycled around Europe or Japan it just isn't like that, every 3Km there's something nice you can take a photo of, but generally in Asia no.... Why's that ?
-1. Lack of Cultural heritage like old churches, prehistoric sites, forts etc. OK it is easier for older places to look nice as the old things give them character and add structure like the city walls in York, or Suwon Korea, or like the old college buildings in Cambridge or other towns.
-1a. Lack of Appreciation for Natural Heritage - Other areas in the world have beauty cos of their natural setting like they they lie by water like a lake or river or beneath a mountain. Yet mostly in Asia the "different eyes" seem oblivious to such things. How often have I seen a restaurant kitchen back onto the beautiful sight whereas the restaurant focus is a busy street.

- In Tura a beautiful waterfall river in a gorge winds through the main part of town yet it's almost impossible to appreciate it cos the gorge has been allowed to fill with the shacks of Bengali refugees. This means the river is full of garbage aswell. The refugees should have been allocated their own area and a proper new town built.

- It would be great if you could bulldoze the entire downtown area of Tura and start again. Turn the river gorge into a green park with the trees cut back so you can see it. Then overlooking it were the present supermarket and wasteland is build a shady square overlooking the gorge. That way you could sit in the square see the market/festival , look down and see the river gorge and look up and see the peak.

- 2. Lack of government action to beautify a town - In other countries councils take a lead in making sure a town looks nice by enforcing planning laws and building their own infrastructure like parks and squares to fit in. In India it's like they don't care.

- 3. Lack of coordination by private businesses... In a European or Japanese town you can go to the shopping area and market and it looks nice. Why ? There's a degree of coordination usually most shops/business buildings have been made in a similar style. In India shops have just been thrown up for function usually a wooden shack with a rusty roof. In Tura it's like that and in front the pavement is a up and down untidy mess.

India Fighting Mode - Mr Annoyed
- I'd like to be open and friendly, but by the time I get anywhere I am tired and annoyed cos of all "those monkeys" or problems I find I have to be continually on my guard.
- it's hot - it's dirty - it's noisy
- There is always someone trying to take advantage ... Get in front of you in a queue, overcharge, encroach on your seat, nutcase. ... It's easy to become uptight, but the majority of people are probably OK.

India's Famous Monkeys
- There are a fair number of monkeys in the UK, but perhaps in India there are more.
- Most Indians are not monkeys, but a great number behave like monkeys, they don't cheat or steal or get violent, but act like monkeys :
- open a packet and just drop the garbage straight on the ground as if the street is a giant garbage heap.
- spit on the street as if it's a toilet.
- just piss in public instead of really looking for a toilet
- call me over to come to them instead of coming over to me.
- Don't queue , just go straight up to the front ignoring all the other people already waiting.
- drive as if they own the road.
- show a complete disregard for privacy e.g. when I take my phone out to write or if I am in a cyber many people stand behind me reading my private emails etc.
- show a complete disregard for other people e.g. 4 youths sit down in a café and play music on their phone very loudly

- In a café or cyber the workers treat the music system as their own and play whatever they like .. Very loudly. ..I guess since they get paid so low that's an excuse.
- Ask too much - I help people all the time, but some people take me for granted.

- They do on the street what normal people only do in a toilet.
- Instead of respecting Mother Earth as you'd expect in a "spiritual country" they treat the whole area outside the house as a great garbage heap and toilet.
- Instead of respecting other peoples rights they just think for themselves.

- In a cyber café I left my computer for a while, and when I come back, the worker is sat there reading my emails ... in another country that would be outrageous .. In India it's almost what I expect.

Where do they find all that phlegm ?

- People are always spitting here .. This is strange .. apart from sometimes when I run I have nothing to spit ..

- India must have phlegm reserves like other countries have oil. Maybe it's their diet ?

Indians live in a Fantasy World not the Real World
- See I have started off by criticizing and most Indians don't like that.

- I just listened to the BBC Crossing Continents documentary about the Gay Raja of Gujurat. What a hero that guy is. It made me realise that Indians live in a Fantasy World not the Real World. By bringing some truth into the world he opened up the situation for improvement.

- Hospital statistics showed that there is a HIV problem, but Gujurat people have been pretending that there are no gays, so there is no need to tackle the problem from that angle. Therefore basically the problem was not being tackled at all ... so nothing improved. So he stood up and said "I'm gay, I've been having sex with men all my life, and I know many men who do the same even though they are married. And I'm going to start a safe sex campaign to educate these men to do things like use condoms so they don't catch HIV and spread it to their wives", What a flaming hero; that guy stood up told the truth and saved many lives.

- Of course he was ostracised by his own family .."the shame of it, there are no gays in the royal families", Well if 6% of the world population are gay then surely 6% of the royals are. Cos he stood up, he was example to others, men could say to their wives that they needed to use condoms etc.

- To make improvements to a situation you must have truth, but Indian culture is centred around myths even more than other cultures. e.g. That a woman must go from complete virgin the moment before marriage to sex expert the night after. That all marriages are pefect so there is no need for divorce etc.
- And there must be so much falseness caused by religion, like to have a good harvest a farmer must donate money to the temple etc. Like a denial that Indian people are people in the same way as westerners etc .."No Indians are special, we don't get the same diseases as foreigners".

- They'd rather accept the artificial world of TV and movies than what they see on the street with their own eyes. Typical comments about movie Slumdog Millionaire were : "How dare those foreigners say that India has slums, inequality and dirt !". Many are outraged even though all those things are true, cos they grown accustomed to living in a Fantasy World. Indian movies are all glamour so there is denial about dirt and poverty.

- It's a case of the 3 monkeys : see no evil, hear no evil & speak no evil. The average Indian doesn't want to see problems within India so they avert their eyes, they don't want hear about problems within India either so foreigners are at fault for speaking of evil,

- BUT Without the truth you can't make improvements, because there is denial about there being slums, inequality and dirt these problems are left unfixed while people continue to think about the next nice new shiny cellphone they will buy.

- Yes I criticize cos I care about people. In the past people have been too kind by focusing on the positives so people have thought it's acceptable not to make the necessary improvements so I think it's important to give them a kick up the arse. Look Indians you live in a toilet now fix it up ! Don't blame others, show us you are as good as the Germans and get rid of the slums and corruption I know you are as good as any man so prove it.

- It's like the people responsible say "the streets look pretty clean I'll think I'll take another day off work and go to the temple".
- No, No, No it's not OK, don't take any more days off to waste at the temple until the problems are fixed.

- Why ? Not My Family, Not My Bedroom Space

- My Theory : It seems that most Indians care about the inside of their own house and immediate family and nothing else, whereas I would see the whole world as my family and the whole Earth as my bedroom.
- So you don't drop garbage at the top of the hill cos eventually that will end up in the water that the guy at the bottom of the hill drinks.

- Not My Family - I can draw parallels from what I saw in Latin Countries principly the idea of family i.e. that Latin American politicians go on about family, but when they get elected they just help their own immediate family. They don't care about anyone else. Whereas I hold as what you might call a Modern European cultural view (not particularly European just modern) that the whole world is my family.

- Not My Bedroom Space - I can draw parallels with what I have seen in Asia about dirty streets. Locals who take great pride in the inside of their house don't care about anything outside their house or public spaces as they don't see that as their territory.

- A hot country thing about not thinking through your actions, but just doing today with no account for the future consequences, cos it doesn't matter as tomoroow will be a sunny day like today.

The Idea of Ownership
- I can understand Bangladeshi immigrants who are sheltering in a town don't really care about that town too much. people who have grown up in a town I expect they feel some sense of ownership and treat the the streets more like their own bedroom.

- Maybe also people who are poor and always be poor because of corruption by the rich are also less likely tohave any sense of ownership over the town streets.

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